{"id":15342,"date":"2011-04-12T09:06:19","date_gmt":"2011-04-12T13:06:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/asweetlife.org\/?p=15342"},"modified":"2016-01-05T08:24:44","modified_gmt":"2016-01-05T13:24:44","slug":"diabetes-in-art-a-conversation-with-kathryn-demarco","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/asweetlife.org\/?p=15342","title":{"rendered":"Diabetes in Art: A Conversation with Kathryn DeMarco"},"content":{"rendered":"

Artist Kathryn DeMarco<\/a>, a graduate of Boston University\u2019s fine arts program, specializes in collage self-portraits and animal portraits. She is also a serious runner who has lived almost two decades with type 1 diabetes. She lives with her partner, Andrew, a sculptor, in North Carolina and works as a custom framer and sales associate at Craven Allen Gallery<\/a> in Durham, which also shows her art.<\/p>\n

Kathryn and I spoke recently about her attraction to collage portraits, the presence of diabetes (and cats!) in her work, artistic influences, and thoughts on diabetes in art and life.<\/p>\n

Please tell me about your background and training as an artist. <\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

I guess I always was an artist. In high school, because I was on the honor track, I couldn\u2019t really take any art then, because art didn\u2019t count as much academically. I always painted and drew in my spare time and was involved in clubs that had more artistic direction. I started college at Lafayette College in 1987 on a running scholarship, because I\u2019ve always been a runner too. I broke my leg half way through the year on Christmas break, so I couldn\u2019t run. I started painting more, and I realized that Lafayette wasn\u2019t right for me.<\/p>\n

I tried to look for an art school and also a running program, and I transferred to Boston University. I started at the College of Fine Arts<\/a>, with the idea I would be on the cross-country team after red shirting one year. But the art took up a lot of time, and so I did not run on the team. I had really good art professors, and I learned a lot.<\/p>\n

The BU undergraduate program is a very figurative one, and by that I mean there is a lot of life drawing, landscapes, still life. So, we would always have live, nude models. There were anatomy classes where we would draw the model and then overlay muscles and bones with a transparent paper.<\/p>\n

At BU, in drawing class, for the drawing assignments, I started doing collages, because it\u2019s kind of like drawing. You cut out your paper in lines, and you stick it down. I liked oil painting, too, but I got a better quality of work from the collages. When you do an oil painting you can correct the mistakes, but you have to wait until it dries a little bit. With a collage, if I didn\u2019t like the way the muscles were looking or the face was looking, I could just glue a correction over it. I\u2019ve kind of gotten addicted to that, just correcting, correcting, correcting.<\/p>\n

Ah, interesting. That\u2019s like life with diabetes, always correcting. What else about the collage medium has fascinated you enough to make a career of it? <\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

What\u2019s fun for me in a collage is that I can hide stuff in there. And that\u2019s what started me with the diabetes artwork. I can hide funny stuff, sad stuff, whatever. It\u2019s like my personal joke to myself. Sometimes audiences get it; sometimes they don\u2019t. Most of the time the hidden stuff is just something out there for people to jump to their own conclusions about.<\/p>\n

When I do commissioned portraits for people of their animals, I ask them a lot about themselves and I try to hide stuff in there that will ultimately amuse them later. If a pet has passed on, then I\u2019ll hide funny stuff in the collage about that animal, or I\u2019ll put personal stuff in there, like about the client\u2019s work.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m working on an economics professor\u2019s dog now, and I\u2019m not exactly sure how I\u2019m going to make it funny, being an economy thing. But I know the professor well and the dog, Noelle, was a therapy dog, and that\u2019s useful stuff to put into the collage.<\/p>\n

There are cats in some of your self-portraits. Do you, too, have animals?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

We have five cats here and one dog. The cats figure in my work a lot. Balthus<\/a>, another artist, used cats in his figurative work. His female figures are nude and often in provocative poses. I like the way Balthus\u2019s beautifully painted and wonderfully composed compositions, including the woman and the cats, tell a story, though not necessarily a nice story. His work is definitely from a man’s view, and it’s not the most feminist thing to like as a female artist who considers herself to be pretty tough. But he also referred to himself as the King of Cats, and I\u2019ve been doing cat paintings with myself forever, putting in a cat<\/a> or even dog here and there, and so I relate to Balthus in that way.<\/p>\n

\"Insulin<\/a><\/p>\n

Tell us more about your attraction and approach to self-portraits.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

I identify with figures, with people. I like to see eyes. I like to get an emotional impact from what I\u2019m looking at from other artists also doing figurative work.\u00a0 I started doing self-portraits in color and in black and white at Boston University. After I was on my own and trying to think of art to make, I saw my cats swirling around and picked one of them up, Carmine, and started drawing. I could have Carmine looking at the viewer, and I could have myself looking somewhere else. Cats have very expressive eyes.<\/p>\n

As to self-portraits, I\u2019m a free model for myself, and there\u2019s that. In the studio, I\u2019ve got a mirror, and I take a lot of pictures of myself. Also, for some reason — I don\u2019t know if I\u2019ve got a lot to say about myself — I can get more emotion through self-portraiture.<\/p>\n

I do like to hide other figures in the background of the self-portraits. That\u2019s one of the guessing games of my collages: Who\u2019s that person hiding back there? And I\u2019ve never seen anybody doing collage like I do it, with this strong emphasis on the figure.<\/p>\n

The portrait that prompted me to get in touch with you, <\/em>The Boss of Me<\/a>, a starkly black and white self-portrait with your insulin pump, reminds me of a woodcut print by K\u00e4the Kollwitz<\/a>, you know? <\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

I love her work. She has expressions in those drawings, such a strong charcoal line, that I just love. It\u2019s good. Sometimes, when I do a drawing I call it a Philip Pearlstein<\/a> style drawing at first when it has simple lines only and then as the shading builds up, a K\u00e4the Kollwitz style, it starts getting more charcoal on it.<\/p>\n

\"\"<\/a>When did diabetes first make its way into your art?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019m trying to think if I added it in deliberately at first. Probably only in snarky little bits. My first big collage ever, I did when we first moved to North Carolina in 1993. The image is a life-sized nude (me) standing in front of a man sitting at the table with a box of donuts and beer<\/a>, of all things. A feral cat is at our feet. I think I was mad about the diabetes at this point, got it out of my system for a little while and focused on my art style and more pleasant content.<\/p>\n

As you know, diabetes is with you all of the time. Looking in a mirror I would always see the pump on my hip. Lots of times the tubing would be within easy reach of the scissors\u2026<\/p>\n

But, actually drawing myself in what I call \u201cthe Bad Dreams<\/a> poses\u201d started because I wasn\u2019t having incredibly good blood sugar control. It was probably ten years ago. I would get low blood sugar in the middle of the night, and I would just be crazy on the floor, sweating. And Andrew wouldn\u2019t be able to get me to respond, or anything.<\/p>\n

And, because he was also thinking like the artist he is, he started taking pictures. I started to use the pictures in the self-portraits. These are in motion, and sometimes the facial expressions are really kind of disturbing.<\/p>\n

Starting in 2007, I got involved with the Diabetes 365\/Flickr pool<\/a> of photographs. I really enjoyed meeting people, who became pretty enthusiastic about my work in general. Today, I might hold up my meter in a photograph for a collage that I\u2019m working on. Diabetes gets into my work through the photos. The pose where I\u2019m holding my insulin pump<\/a> was one of the ones for the Diabetes 365 pool. I wanted to solidify it by having a full on collage self-portrait where I\u2019m alert, not only ones that portray the low blood sugar.<\/p>\n

I liked that self-portrait the first time I saw it. The figure seems assertive or even defiant, but I get a sense of wariness from it, too. Plus, the presence of the pump and insertion site is an unexpected disruption of the figure. Besides your work, I haven\u2019t come across any other painting, collage art, or sculpture that takes diabetes as its subject. Can you think of any?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

I can\u2019t, and you know, I\u2019ve seen people manipulate their diabetes equipment into interesting shapes and take photos, but, you\u2019re right, it\u2019s mostly photos.<\/p>\n

For diabetes in particular, the public may not want to see the sort of stuff where we\u2019re not happy about our illness. And it\u2019s one of those diseases that nobody really even knows you have unless you\u2019re falling down somewhere.<\/p>\n

Kathryn, what kind of response have you gotten to your art? <\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

People respond well to the collages because they\u2019re really entertaining, and there\u2019s a lot in them to look at. However, the diabetes ones, I haven\u2019t really shown too much of yet; they\u2019re just on Flickr right now, where people do like them.<\/p>\n

As for my regular self-portraits, people are interested in them, and I have sold quite a few of those, just the straight on self-portraits, usually holding a cat or a dog or scissors. There are a lot of scissor scenes in the pieces. About five years ago, I started putting the scissor in, like the trademark.<\/p>\n

Would you tell me your diagnosis story?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

It was 1992. I had just graduated from college, and I spent the summer up in Boston. Andrew and I were planning our move to North Carolina for September. And just before then, my mom and dad said, \u201cWell, maybe you\u2019d better have a physical. You\u2019re going to go off our insurance now.\u201d So I went in for a physical, and I had a blood sugar of like 400 and something.<\/p>\n

The weird thing is, now that I think about it, I was going to the bathroom so much. I had lost about 15 pounds. I was still running every day and feeling fine with that, but I\u2019m sure my energy level was down because of this. I was 22, an adult, so the doctor originally said, \u201cOh, that\u2019s type 2 diabetes.\u201d We treated it as if it was type 2. They gave me some pills, and they put me on a thousand calorie diet, which was awful. [laughs]\n

Shortly after I had moved to North Carolina in January 1993, they tested my glucose again, and it was still really high. I don\u2019t think they gave me a machine, a meter, or anything like that, at that point. I had to go back up home to my parents in Connecticut. At that time, the doctor there said, \u201cWell, maybe it\u2019s type 1. Maybe you\u2019ll want to try insulin.\u201d I was on NPH or something like that, twice a day for a long while.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ve always had a real problem with low blood sugar, way more than with high blood sugar. And then I\u2019ll overcompensate and be high and low. My A1C right now is 6.4. It\u2019s been 5.8. It\u2019s always between 5.8 and 6.6, so I keep it pretty good. It makes me mad. I\u2019d like it to be lower than 5.8, but I think that\u2019s the best I can do.<\/p>\n

I got on the insulin pump in 2004. I haven\u2019t been unhappy with it. But, I\u2019m going to run out of infusion sites, I\u2019m sure, and then I\u2019ll want to do something else.<\/p>\n

\"Insulin<\/a><\/p>\n

I\u2019ve had diabetes since 1992, and I went on the pump in \u201803 or \u201804. I went on it because I was taking like five injections a day, and I was so tired of the five injections a day. My doctor said, \u201cIf you took one more we could really smooth out this spot right here.\u201d I thought, \u201cI just can\u2019t do it. I can\u2019t do one more a day. I can\u2019t do it.\u201d So then I switched to the pump. I am glad to have it, but I\u2019m not one of those people who would say, \u201cI love it.\u201d<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Sometimes I feel bad when I see ads for the pumps or the meters. One of them I think shows a tagline like, \u201cIt\u2019s just like a pancreas, only it\u2019s more attractive,\u201d or something like that. What in the world? Are they nuts? I might have used that on one of the collages: Are they nuts? Then I think about the pumps\u2019 fancy colors. I don\u2019t want it to be a color. I want diabetes to be over with.<\/p>\n

What my focus would be, if I could get my collages shown in a certain way, is that we don\u2019t want to invest only in the better and better technologies. Let\u2019s research a cure. Let\u2019s not keep making pumps prettier, or whatever, because they work fine now. They\u2019re good.<\/p>\n

I agree.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

I have a book about an artist, Charles Demuth<\/a>, who was diagnosed with diabetes at 37 in 1920, just around when insulin was discovered. He didn\u2019t live very long, because they weren\u2019t testing blood sugars and all that.<\/p>\n

Even though insulin has been available to treat diabetes since 1922 or so, it still is a burden for people with diabetes to stay healthy and prevent complications. It costs a lot of money. We have to be ever vigilant about food, exercise, and social situations because, even with good control, there is always potential to have too much or too little insulin on board. It is insidious how invisible the disease is to others, but how time consuming it is to people with type 1.<\/p>\n

As an artist, you\u2019ve been making these collages that illuminate some aspect of your life with diabetes. Now it sounds as though you\u2019re starting to think about your pieces potentially not just as art, but also as advocacy.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Right. I have been thinking that I would get other people with diabetes involved and use their stories and images. As an artist I can communicate different things about diabetes, as I do about me and my pets. I would hope to do the same about others with diabetes. Everybody always says to me when I do an animal portrait, \u201cOh my gosh, you\u2019ve got exactly what this cat looks like and his personality. How did you do it?\u201d So that\u2019s what I would hope to do for others with diabetes experiences.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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